Page 21 of 26 FirstFirst ... 111920212223 ... LastLast
Results 201 to 210 of 257
  1. #201
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Allegan, MI
    Posts
    1,076
    Thanks
    37
    Thanked 242 Times in 198 Posts
    Congratulations
    2
    Congratulated 2 Times in 2 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by okielite View Post
    However it happened it's a great story. Glad to hear about land transferred to a state and now they can't sell it and it will be open to the public. Win all the way around.

    So do you folks who don't think states should be in charge of managing land think this is a bad deal?
    Depends on how it's done, who is the managing agency, and what stipulations are put on it as to what they can do or not do with it BEFORE it's exchanged or purchased, etc.

  2. #202
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Kingwood, TX
    Posts
    1,637
    Thanks
    51
    Thanked 198 Times in 156 Posts
    Congratulations
    7
    Congratulated 1 Time in 1 Post
    That's a tricky place for a state park. A lot of it is one good storm surge away from being part of Matagorda Bay. Would normally be a good thing, but there are quite a few tracts like that sitting idle bc of lack of funding and there's not a lack of revenue rolling in.

  3. #203
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Wyoming
    Posts
    498
    Thanks
    292
    Thanked 60 Times in 50 Posts
    Congratulations
    0
    Congratulated 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Topgun 30-06 View Post
    This whole debate is really conjecture on both sides. One side says the land will be sold and the other says there would be no reason to sell it and it would be cheaper by having it under individual state management. Right now a lot of state laws would probably need to be changed and as long as Congress at the Federal level has to approve significant Federal land sales and it remains deadlocked with no party majority I doubt things will change. I know a little bit about land sales and swaps because a friend and I both appealed a tentative land swap in Wyoming between a rancher and the BLM. We lost at the local level and went through all the hoops and won an appeal at the Federal Judge level of the BLM in DC. However, the state BLM manager knowingly violated the law and signed off on the deed exchange while the appeal was in process. The Judge sent a letter castigating him for doing that, but then also sent us a letter apologizing for the violation and stated that our only recourse was to file an expensive appeal at the Federal level in DC that would have cost a fortune because he could not reverse the transaction at his level. Within a year or two the BLM manager in Cheyenne died a very excruciating death from cancer and it reminded me of an old saying that my Dad always had in that what goes around comes around. I'm pretty sure he got money under the table from the rancher to do what he did and I don't have little doubt that he was also involved in a very shady deal with the same millionaire rancher several years before that when they exchanged several thousand acres of land that the G&F even sent a letter to the BLM asking them not to because it wasn't landlocked BLM property and was a fantastic hunting and fishing property. Now I look over that land from a high point on what is left and see hundreds of elk that I could be hunting if it wasn't for that shady deal being made. I guess what I'm getting at is to be careful what you wish for because it may come back to bite you in the butt!
    Couldn't have said it better TopGun!

  4. #204
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Wyoming
    Posts
    498
    Thanks
    292
    Thanked 60 Times in 50 Posts
    Congratulations
    0
    Congratulated 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Wyoming can and does sell state land. In fact all a lease holder has to do if he has a lease is recommend it for sale. The state land board is top heavy with those in the ag industry. Gov. Mead himself is a rancher. You can not camp or have an open fire on state land, and motorized vehicles (atv's) are largely banned, as the lease holder gets to set the rules. You CAN camp and have a fire on BLM.
    I've seen too many State parcels closed off to access by lease holders to think anything will change. Ranchers & Ag interests control the legislature...They made the rules for the ranchers. If the State of Wyoming gets control of BLM & NF, kiss DIY hunting goodbye, unless you have real deep pockets. Who do you think passed the law requiring all Non-Residents to hire a guide while hunting in Wilderness areas? The Ag Legislature at the request of Ranchers/Outfitters. JMO

  5. #205
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Kingwood, TX
    Posts
    1,637
    Thanks
    51
    Thanked 198 Times in 156 Posts
    Congratulations
    7
    Congratulated 1 Time in 1 Post
    There's a whole list of things to do to improve that situation, but pretty much all of them involve getting livestock off public land to remove unnecessary competition with wildlife. Could likely make up the difference in AUM fees by upping sales tax and collect off the NRs.

  6. #206
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Posts
    101
    Thanks
    23
    Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts
    Congratulations
    0
    Congratulated 1 Time in 1 Post
    Quote Originally Posted by okielite View Post
    Good points.

    To me I think it depends on the situation. In a state like Oklahoma with limited federal land I think the state could likely do a better job of managing that land and do it with less cost to the taxpayers. I also think states might be able to avoid some of the red tape/lawsuits that seem to be a part of managing this land. The states also have more incentive to operate in a more financially responsible manner and to control the tourism industry. I know South Dakota inquired about operating MT Rushmore during the gov shutdown. In that situation the state had a lot to lose if Rushmroe was closed so they wanted to open it back up for the benefit of the state.

    Aside from cost savings I think the states could do a better job. Has anybody ever heard of someone using over 100k acres of state land for 20 years without paying a dime? Then turning it into a PC nightmare/disaster, cluster funk? Nope. But that did happen on federal land recently.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_Ranch_standoff
    Has anybody ever heard of a state allowing a private individual to build a house on a road easement that blocked access to public land? It's happened on federal land recently.
    http://billingsgazette.com/news/stat...0e5955b96.html

    At the end of the day our federal government is inefficient and quite frankly not good at doing much of anything except wasting money.
    You summed it up quite well.
    The Feds aren't good at much except wasting money in my opinion.

  7. #207
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    NW Nebraska
    Posts
    140
    Thanks
    2
    Thanked 20 Times in 18 Posts
    Congratulations
    13
    Congratulated 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Topgun 30-06 View Post
    Depends on how it's done, who is the managing agency, and what stipulations are put on it as to what they can do or not do with it BEFORE it's exchanged or purchased, etc.
    In Nebraska the game and parks typically manage land like this. Many of the WMA's are ranches that were purchased or donated and are now great places to hunt with no roads or ATV use.

    http://www.outdoorcentral.com/mc/pr/03/09/11b3.asp

    NEW CHADRON CREEK RANCH WMA
    OPENS TO THE PUBLIC
    
    Chadron, Neb . - The recently purchased Chadron Creek Ranch Wildlife Management Area, 11 miles south of Chadron in the Pine Ridge, is open for public use, according to Gary Schlichtemeier, district wildlife manager at the Nebraska Game and Parks Commissions district office in Alliance.

    "The Nebraska Game and Parks Commission approved purchase of the new WMA at their May meeting," Schlichtemeier said, "and weve recently completed our initial boundary marking and access to a parking lot. Grants from the Nebraska Environmental Trust and federal Wildlife Restoration Program funds will pay for the $1.85 million purchase."

    "Chadron Creek Ranch WMA is located in the Pine Ridge escarpment in Dawes County," he added. "The 2,449-acre area is characterized by the interspersion of ponderosa pine, mixed prairie, deciduous canyons, woodlands, and moderately rough topography. The tract is approximately two miles south of Chadron State Park and a good portion of the area borders U. S. Forest Service property. To maintain the native flora and fauna of the tract, the area will be managed as a "natural area" - this ecosystem approach to management will be the guiding principle."

    "Wildlife management areas are open to the public for hunting, trapping, and other outdoor recreational uses unless otherwise posted," Schlichtemeier added. "While the boundary fences are marked and a basic parking area is available, we will be completing additional work in the future. We wanted to have the area open to the public by the beginning of the 2003 Nebraska archery deer season on September 15."

    Schlichtemeier added that fire danger throughout the Panhandle is very high.

    "The taller stands of dried vegetation make it critical that everyone works to prevent the outbreak of wildfire. Avoid parking vehicles where the dried grasses can come in contact with the vehicles exhaust system and catalytic converters and be extremely careful with other fire hazards."

    For additional information on the new Chadron Creek Ranch WMA, contact the district office of the Nebraska Game and Parks Commission, East Highway 2, Box 725 Alliance, NE 69301, (308) 763-2940.

  8. #208
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Posts
    101
    Thanks
    23
    Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts
    Congratulations
    0
    Congratulated 1 Time in 1 Post
    Sounds like Nebraska is doing a better job than the Feds.
    Thank you for making my argument for me Topgun.

  9. #209
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    colfax, wa
    Posts
    5,079
    Thanks
    1,191
    Thanked 614 Times in 538 Posts
    Congratulations
    113
    Congratulated 22 Times in 10 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by shootbrownelk View Post
    Wyoming can and does sell state land. In fact all a lease holder has to do if he has a lease is recommend it for sale.
    Isnt most of that land landlocked and is not useable to the public anyways?
    Keystone 1, Over!

    " I am lost in the dust of the chase that my life brings"

  10. #210
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    colfax, wa
    Posts
    5,079
    Thanks
    1,191
    Thanked 614 Times in 538 Posts
    Congratulations
    113
    Congratulated 22 Times in 10 Posts
    Holy Smokes! Took a few Keystone's to read most of that! HAHA!
    Keystone 1, Over!

    " I am lost in the dust of the chase that my life brings"

 

 

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •